EMPIRE, the British film magazine has released the cover of their upcoming September issue, featuring none other than Lady Gaga and Joaquin Phoenix as Harley Quinn and the Joker. This is the first interview that Gaga has given about her role as Harleen Frances Quinzel.
Lady Gaga’s Singing In Joker: Folie À Deux Is ‘Unlike Anything I’ve Ever Done Before,’ She Says
State the obvious: Lady Gaga is an astonishing singer. And while her
hit-packed back-catalogue speaks for itself, she’s also brought those
considerable pipes to the cinema screen in A Star Is Born, the reigning
pop-icon playing pop-icon-in-waiting Ally. Next up in her cinematic arsenal,
after serving killer looks in House Of Gucci, Gaga is about to sing on
screen again – this time as an all-new take on Harley Quinn in Todd
Phillips’ song-packed Joker sequel, Joker: Folie À Deux. Get ready to meet
Lee – Arthur Fleck’s new partner in crime, set to put a spring in his step
and a song in his heart.
For Gaga, the film’s song-and-dance numbers required a recalibration of her
vocal talents. “People know me by my stage name, Lady Gaga, right? That’s me
as that performer, but that is not what this movie is; I’m playing a
character. So I worked a lot on the way that I sang to come from Lee, and to
not come from me as a performer,” she tells Empire in the world-exclusive
Joker: Folie À Deux cover feature. And given how Phillips’ film integrates
music into its milieu, Gaga had to follow suit. “How do you take music and
have it just be an extension of the dialogue, as opposed to breaking into
song for no conceivable reason?” she asks. “It was unlike anything I’ve ever
done before.”
As a result, you’re about to hear a very different side to the Lady Gaga you
know. “For me, there’s plenty of bum notes, actually, from Lee,” she laughs
of her singing in the film. “I’m a trained singer, right? So even my
breathing was different when I sang as Lee. When I breathe to sing on stage,
I have this very controlled way to make sure that I’m on pitch and it’s
sustained at the right rhythm and amount of time, but Lee would never know
how to do any of that. So it’s like removing the technicality of the whole
thing, removing my perceived art-form from it all and completely being
inside of who she is.”
In Gaga’s hands, get ready for an all-new take on a fan-favourite character
– one who’s thrived in Batman: The Animated Series, comic books, the DCEU,
and her own animated comedy. Lee is both the Harley Quinn you know, and one
you really don’t. “While there are some things that people would find
familiar in her, it’s really Gaga’s own interpretation, and Scott [Silver,
co-writer] and I’s interpretation,” explains Phillips. “She became the way
how [Charles] Manson had girls that idolised him. The way that sometimes
these [imprisoned murderers] have people that look up to them. There are
things about Harley in the movie that were taken from the comic books, but
we took it and moulded it to the way we wanted it to be.” Prepare for a
performance that’s totally Gaga.
Joker Won’t Be Gotham’s Clown Prince Of Crime In Folie À Deux: ‘Arthur’s Not A Criminal Mastermind’
There have been all kinds of iterations of the Joker over the years. Some
veered more towards the exaggerated mobster route, like Jack Nicholson in
Tim Burton’s Batman; there was Heath Ledger’s nihilistic terrorist in The
Dark Knight; Jared Leto’s eccentric tattooed gang leader in Suicide Squad.
But in Joker, Joaquin Phoenix gave us a totally different conception of who
Batman’s arch-nemesis might be – a lonely, disenfranchised failed comedian
whose inner turmoil spills over into violent acts that bring out the
darkness festering in Gotham City. In Todd Phillips’ film, Arthur Fleck
wasn’t a villain, let alone a maniacal schemer – more a mercurial,
unpredictable force moving through the world in his own unique way.
And so, in Joker: Folie À Deux – the much-anticipated sort-of-sequel that
sends Fleck to Arkham, where he’ll strike up a music-fuelled relationship
with Lady Gaga’s Harley ‘Lee’ Quinzel – we’ll be venturing further into
Arthur Fleck’s psyche. But, in keeping with the previous film, it won’t see
the Joker become Gotham’s Clown Prince Of Crime. “We would never do that,”
Phillips explains to Empire in the world-exclusive Joker: Folie À Deux cover
feature. “Because Arthur clearly is not a criminal mastermind. He was never
that.” While Fleck isn’t angling to become a criminal figurehead in Arkham,
the world is watching him. “Arthur has become this symbol to people,”
Phillips says. “This unwilling, unwitting symbol now paying for the crimes
of the first film, but at the same time finding the only thing he ever
wanted, which was love. That’s always what he’s been about, even though he’s
been pushed and pulled in all these directions. So we tried to just make the
most pure version of that.”
That purity of character exploration dovetails with Folie À Deux’s most
unexpected stylistic swing – that Fleck (and Gaga’s Lee) will break into
song. It comes from the notion in the first film that, in Phillips’ words,
Fleck “has music in him”. Cue Phoenix singing showtunes, as channelled
through Arthur. “It was important to protect that with poor phrasing and
occasional bum notes,” the actor tells Empire. “Arthur grew up hearing his
mother play these songs on the radio. He’s not a singer, and he shouldn’t
sound like a professional singer. He should sound like somebody that’s
taking a shower and just bursts out into song.”
He was, however, performing opposite the professional singer, Lady Gaga. “I
do seem to remember her spitting up coffee the first time I sang, so that
felt good, that was exciting, and made me feel confident,” he jokes.
Together, they found a creative harmony. “Gaga was always very encouraging
of just, ‘Go with what you feel, it’s fine’,” says Phoenix. “For somebody
who’s not a performer in that way, it can be... uncomfortable to do that,
but also very exciting.” Prepare for one hell of a cinematic duet.
The new issue of EMPIRE Magazine will be available on newsstands on Thursday,
August 1. “Joker: Folie À Deux.” will be released worldwide by Warner Bros.
Pictures, and will be only in cinemas in the U.S. on October 4, 2024, and
beginning internationally on 2 October, 2024.